Comments on: Google, China and “Digital Combat” http://digicha.com/?p=157 Internet and Digital Media in China Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: DigiCha » Questions For Google If/When Google.cn Shuts Down http://digicha.com/?p=157&cpage=1#comment-138 DigiCha » Questions For Google If/When Google.cn Shuts Down Sun, 21 Mar 2010 06:03:05 +0000 http://digicha.com/?p=157#comment-138 [...] Google, China and “Digital Combat” [...] [...] Google, China and “Digital Combat” [...]

]]> By: Should Google “Burn Its Boats” If It Pulls Out Of China? | Yooxe http://digicha.com/?p=157&cpage=1#comment-102 Should Google “Burn Its Boats” If It Pulls Out Of China? | Yooxe Sat, 13 Mar 2010 13:01:17 +0000 http://digicha.com/?p=157#comment-102 [...] Google, China and “Digital Combat” [...] [...] Google, China and “Digital Combat” [...]

]]> By: Joe http://digicha.com/?p=157&cpage=1#comment-63 Joe Sat, 20 Feb 2010 15:54:34 +0000 http://digicha.com/?p=157#comment-63 As we discussed over drinks, I think you're right on. As I understand though, Google has gone into this with eyes wide open (though clearly split into two very antagonistic camps in Mountain View) - knowing they have forever mortgaged any future in the Chinese market. If that's the case, they get slightly more credit than I gave them when we talked.<br><br>I think the analysts who think there is some "compromise" to be had (as if you can trump national security) or that China needs Google are deluded and apparently overpaid for their analysis. As we discussed over drinks, I think you're right on. As I understand though, Google has gone into this with eyes wide open (though clearly split into two very antagonistic camps in Mountain View) – knowing they have forever mortgaged any future in the Chinese market. If that's the case, they get slightly more credit than I gave them when we talked.

I think the analysts who think there is some “compromise” to be had (as if you can trump national security) or that China needs Google are deluded and apparently overpaid for their analysis.

]]> By: plus8star http://digicha.com/?p=157&cpage=1#comment-40 plus8star Thu, 28 Jan 2010 15:05:16 +0000 http://digicha.com/?p=157#comment-40 Finally a good piece on this topic! The mention of "pre-emptive Cyberwar" is interesting, we're getting close to Philip K. Dick's "pre-crime". I am wondering if China is so much more intense dealing with outside ideas than the US when it was dealing with communist ones during the last century. In that vein, check out the Einstein Institute activities, they have great branding for what they do: <a href="http://www.aeinstein.org" rel="nofollow">www.aeinstein.org</a> Finally a good piece on this topic! The mention of “pre-emptive Cyberwar” is interesting, we're getting close to Philip K. Dick's “pre-crime”. I am wondering if China is so much more intense dealing with outside ideas than the US when it was dealing with communist ones during the last century. In that vein, check out the Einstein Institute activities, they have great branding for what they do: http://www.aeinstein.org

]]> By: Marcella http://digicha.com/?p=157&cpage=1#comment-36 Marcella Wed, 27 Jan 2010 07:33:56 +0000 http://digicha.com/?p=157#comment-36 I completely agree with the insights about perceiving google as a foreign threat. This is evident, as you say, not only in rhetoric but also in action. Indeed, the same thing can be said for the recent treatment of Internet games, which are increasingly monitored for their cultural content. Chinese experts who would relate the Internet and Internet addiction to drugs and "opium" are playing off the Chinese historical memory of opium as a "foreign" substance that brought humiliation at the hands of colonial forces. Today's emphasis on domestically produced IT (Baidu instead of Google, domestic games instead of WoW, etc.) is clearly linked to a concern about maintaining cultural uniqueness (and control) in the face of western models of "modernization." As you note, articles that emphasize the US government's role in these matters only exacerbate this already present tension. I completely agree with the insights about perceiving google as a foreign threat. This is evident, as you say, not only in rhetoric but also in action. Indeed, the same thing can be said for the recent treatment of Internet games, which are increasingly monitored for their cultural content. Chinese experts who would relate the Internet and Internet addiction to drugs and “opium” are playing off the Chinese historical memory of opium as a “foreign” substance that brought humiliation at the hands of colonial forces. Today's emphasis on domestically produced IT (Baidu instead of Google, domestic games instead of WoW, etc.) is clearly linked to a concern about maintaining cultural uniqueness (and control) in the face of western models of “modernization.” As you note, articles that emphasize the US government's role in these matters only exacerbate this already present tension.

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