Will Investment Ever Stop Flowing Into Chinese Video Sites?

As I mentioned in my last post, over the last several months money has continued to pour into Chinese online video sites. Baidu (UPDATED with official announcement) raised $ 50m from Providence Equity partners for Qiyi.com, a Hulu clone. Shanda-controlled Hurray bought Ku6 for $ 40m+, a distressed price in relation to the $ 30m+ that investors had put into Ku6. Youku raised $ 40m, all from existing investors Maverick Capital, Chengwei and others, bringing their total raise to date to $ 110m. The “National Team”, led by CCTV and its new subsidiary CNTV.cn is pouring an undisclosed but not insignificant amount of capital into its online video efforts.

Now I am hearing that Tudou, which last raised $ 57m in April 2008, bringing their total raise to date to $ 80m+, is raising another round, this time reportedly $ 40m at a $ 200m pre-money valuation. If the rumors are to be believed, Tudou lost money on about 100m RMB net revenue (after rebates) in 2009. A $ 200m+ valuation is “aggressive”. Tudou’s PR person refused to comment, but if you are interested I think the CEO and other management may be available for meetings in the US in early March. Tudou has a great brand and I believe is a reasonably strong second place player to Youku. But the amount of capital raised is mind numbing, and could fund so many other good, innovative Chinese startups.

When you add in sites like 56.com, PPstream, PPlive, 6rooms etc., you are looking at something close to $ 500m in investment in China online video sites, and that is not counting what the portals Sina, Sohu, Netease and Tencent have invested. So far, the only exit on that $ 500m I know of is Ku6′s distressed sale to Hurray, a transaction that was probably quite painful to most of Ku6′s investors and option holders.

No question the audience is there; tens of millions of Chinese watch video online. The advertising dollars are still primarily spent on TV, but they are beginning to shift to the Internet. However, you have many aggressive salespeople with good stories competing for relatively small change, all while their sites burn cash. The big ones like Youku and Tudou are burning less, but they are still not profitable. And the online video model does not appear to have much leverage in it, especially given the rapid Chinese content cost increases in addition to the still huge bandwidth fees.

China’s online video industry is in desperate need of consolidation, with maybe 2-3 private companies left standing to compete with the “National Team” players like CCTV and Shanghai Media Group. Youku is in the lead and has a strong management team and supportive investors. They seem like they could be a consolidator with the obvious target someone like Tudou. But with the combined capital the two firms have raised–close to $ 200m and counting–and the difficulty of determining relative valuations and roles, I am not sure what is logical will actually happen.

Even if it did, the exit path for these private companies is very unclear. The online video industry is big enough now that foreign firms are not allowed to buy into it, which kills the early pitch some of these firms had that Google or Microsoft would buy one of them to get into China. Chinese Internet firms do not have strong track record of M&A, and when they have bought they have done so at distressed prices.

A huge public firm like Tencent could easily afford Youku or Tudou (Note to Pony Ma, the market has gifted you an amazing currency in the form of your stock at a $ 35+ Billion valuation. You should use it.), but they don’t seem to have it in their DNA. Perhaps that will change as management grows into its valuation, but I would not want to bet on it. The technology is not difficult, and the Chinese portals touch most of the video users anyway, so these guys all seem to think they can build it themselves, much cheaper, while waiting for the advertising market to grow into the online video sector.

The only really profitable exit for these guys would be an IPO, and that is what firms like Youku are now betting on, but to get to that scale they are going to have to start taking significant advertising dollars out of the mouths of state-owned behemoths like CCTV. That is going to be very difficult, as CCTV is an immensely profitable and powerful entity that will not give up material revenue without a nasty fight. And given to whom CCTV reports–the Ministry of Publicity, and given the money and “interests” involved, any real threat to CCTV will likely be met with regulatory blockades as well as commercial competition. A private firm, especially a foreign VC-backed firm, will not win against CCTV.

I am not surprised that the reports of Tudou’s fundraising have them going to the US. Chinese investors seem allergic to new investments online video now. I know investors and management at several of the companies mentioned above, and the local Chinese investors have a much gloomier outlook for their online video portfolio companies than do the foreign investors.

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  • Video and games are the most searched for things on the web, look for continued investment in this arena.
  • China mobile has recently announced a plan to decrease the "higer than average salary", so they will have more money.
  • Doesn't China Mobile have like 200 billion in cash (RMB) sitting around? Wouldn't they be a logical buyer?
  • Would it make sense for China Mobile? Can't they possibly make more money as the gatekeeper for all the competing video sites that are trying to live the 3G video dream? Even if they did want to buy someone, I doubt they'd pay retail.

    The more interested rumored China Mobile deal is some sort of transaction for Tencent's QQ business. Urumqi last July was a wake up call about the power of QQ; I think the government may prefer it in the hands of an SOE.
  • mike
    On the broader issue, I am still perplexed as to how these sites will monetise.

    As subscription appears to be a non-starter, the sites will be reliant on ad deals, but I have yet to see anything beyond the basic pre and post roll ads placed randomly across the sites, which is exactly what advertisers do not want (they want better targeting, stronger content-brand association, etc). In my opinion, the future must be legitimate high quality content funded by advertising (that viewers can opt into for free content) not dissimilar to what the music industry has done.

    At present, the online video sector is nowhere near mature enough to be part of a media buy. Last year saw even media agencies get together to get some sort of ad standard going in this space. see http://www.media.asia/searcharticle/2009_08/Chi...

    I have two questions though:
    1. If the likes of Tudou are building up for IPO, what do you think their chances of a successful IPO will be?

    2. In terms of M&A, do you feel that the large telcos will move into this space, in the light of the potential for mobile video and China laying down groundwork for triple play?
  • Great comment. I think the near term chances of a successful IPO for any of the private players are pretty remote right now. If the markets were a bit frothier, a la 98-99 or 07 then they would have a much easier time. Things change, and I could certainly be too pessimistic. Re triple play, that is a good point.

    While the telcos could be interested, I don't think they pay retail, meaning that if they were to buy vs build they would probably either go for a distressed property a la Ku6 or find ways to pull regulatory levers that materially impacted their target, in order to make it cheaper.
  • Anita Huang
    Hey, blogging is about freedom of speech, isn't it? If you were posting unconfirmed info, don't get overreacted to be challenged. One more thought - instead of just talking monetary terms, maybe it's more substaintial to discuss what makes online video truly innovative & differentiated. - Anita Huang
  • Thanks for commenting. I would welcome confirmation or specific corrections from Tudou. You guys are a big player with a massive audience. As to industry prospects, I thought I made it pretty clear that the viewers are all moving online. But I think that after several hundred million dollars of investment it is time to move beyond talking about potential and innovation and start talking about results and returns on the dollars invested. And that is where I think the model is very challenged for pretty much all the startups in this space, in China and in the US.
  • hardcandy
    funny that you got most of the facts about Tudou so dead wrong, sales figures, amounts, and yet from these numbers you're trying to draw very daring conclusions. I admire your courage. And I can't help wondering, is it not obvious to you, however hard you try to hide it, that you're on some company's pay to write this, when it's so obvious to your readers..
  • "Hardcandy"

    When I run a lookup on your IP it says one of the machines in your neighborhood is the Tudou corporate mail server.

    Are you a Tudou employee? I will happily stand corrected if there are inaccuracies. But the way to deal with that is not to anonymously bash me. If, as the IP suggests, you are a Tudou employee, you are doing your company a real disservice.
  • Please educate me and readers if you have the "correct" numbers. I tried to confirm with Tudou's PR department but they declined to comment. As to your ad hominem attack, I'll take the high road. I am on no one's payroll, and frankly not sure how any of the companies or investors mentioned here would be happy with what I wrote.

    Speaking of hiding, why don't you use your real name when commenting? Are you affiliated with Tudou?

    Thanks for commenting
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